• Art
  • Stuart Brisley: “I often take off my trousers to reduce the notion of male power”


Stuart Brisley: “I often take off my trousers to reduce the notion of male power”

DON'T MISS: Performance artist Brisley has always sought out the hidden or discarded – the homeless, food, excrement. He's winding down his first German show in 20 years.

Image for Stuart Brisley:
Photo by Lindsay Isola

British performance artist Stuart Brisley is having his first German solo exhibition in almost 20 years: four key works, including the ground-digging “Survival in Alien Circumstances” (Documenta VI in 1977), and the body-starving “10 Days”, which was originally performed in Berlin.

For over four decades, Stuart Brisley has been seeking out the hidden or discarded – homeless people, folk rituals, food and excrement – revealed through the ultimate disposable object, the human body.

His solo show at Exile Gallery features photographic and film documentation of four works, including “Measurement and Division” (1977), for which he was suspended upside down in a wooden frame. For “10 Days” (created between December 21 and 31, 1973), he fasted and offered his meals to people who walked in off the street, and finished the show by crawling naked through rotting food.

A lot of the pieces in the show were first performed in Germany – what’s your history here?

I came to Germany 55 years ago as a soldier – a conscript – stationed near the Dutch border. Later I was invited to Berlin on a DAAD scholarship. Then I went to Warsaw and was invited to work there. Theatre in Poland at that time was quite powerful because of people like Jerzy Grotowski and Tadeusz Kantor, very experimental directors. A friend of mine was close to the president, so I found myself in the upper echelons of the Communist Party.

What was that experience like?

I could really communicate with the performers there. But I didn’t understand the nature of the restrictions in the society. I suggested a public discussion and it was a complete disaster, because people didn’t feel free to speak. That was an education.

How did you come to focus on performance art?

In Munich. Basically, it’s called theft: you have no money, so you go to a building site etc… In North Florida, I started going to dumps. I’d find things, make something out of them and then put what I’d made back at the dump to see what happened. Back in England, I was thinking about dematerialization and eventually my work got down to one vertical and two horizontals. I was working with directions and moving towards nothing. Then I thought: “We’re on the earth… We eat, we sleep.” So I thought maybe I shouldn’t make things, but actions.

What are you doing when you’re performing?

I don’t think that question can be answered, but I’ll try… If I step into a performance space, the struggle is to get from the ordinary social self to a condition where people are paying attention. Otherwise they’ll walk off. So performances don’t really exist until some point inside the work. Then something else can happen – when it does, it’s quite extraordinary: you get a sense of identity with the people watching. And I don’t know how it gets there and I don’t know how to keep it going. It lasts for as long as it lasts and then it fades away.

Anything written about your work usually comes with the words “political” and “radical” attached…

Well, you know… that’s just artspeak.

Tell me about your alter egos.

If I’m working alone there’s a need for an ‘A.N. Other’. There was a tiny doll-like thing for two or three performances until I got bored of it. Recently, I’ve used large sheets of brown paper that get transformed into a torso. That’s for a piece called “Two Last Breaths”.

The first is about a man in Speaker’s Corner. He stood on a milk crate and said, “I’m dying. And I haven’t got long to go.” Then he pulled up his trouser legs and there was all this shit and blood going down into his boots. Most people left at that point. So it was just him and me until finally we both walked off.

The second “last breath” is about a man I saw burning to death in a park. So the paper torso stands for that ‘other’ – here, the burning man. Then I take my trousers off and get onto a chair and describe what happened that day. I’m in a shirt, with my trousers off. I often take off my trousers to reduce the notion of male power.

Are your identities clearly separated?

No. I performed “180 Hours” as two people, A and B. A was an inarticulate person in the street, and B was a bureaucrat who preserved everything. All the faeces and urine he created, he hung in a hole in the floor above A. So I’d be B, then come down and be A. Taxi drivers would come in to check on the state of play, and I’d be woken up at night and jump up as one or the other.

When it was over, I was sitting on a chair. From the foyer, there was screaming. It turned out a young woman had been coming to see it from a mental hospital, and she thought somehow the resolution to her problems lay in the resolution of this work. And it ended before she arrived – she’d arrived too late. So they drove her back to the hospital in a taxi, screaming.

People often think of artists as removed from society. Your works seem to have brought you into head-on contact…

It can be very disturbing. I’m not feeling anything: I’m going through the process and have to keep a certain distance. And over there, somebody’s crying. It’s a sort of real contradiction. And I can’t resolve it, you know? It just stays – a kind of horrible split.


Want to see more of Stuart Brisley’s work? Visit NGBK’s group show Goodbye London – Radical Art and Politics in the Seventies.